AGAINST VICTOR LICATA
14.1 – EXAMINING THE PSYCHIATRIC FACTORS:
Various Internet websites contain the following encyclopedic reference:
"Victor Licata (ca. 1912-December 4, 1950) was an axe murderer who killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister in the Ybor City neighborhood of Tampa, Florida on October 16, 1933, allegedly while under the influence of marijuana. Declared unfit to stand trial for reasons of insanity, subsequent psychiatric examination at the Florida State Hospital for the Insane determined that the 21-year-old Licata suffered from "dementia praecox with homicidal tendencies", but marijuana was not mentioned in psychiatric reports as having any bearing on his actions. Licata had already been identified as mentally ill and there had been steps to incarcerate him before his crime. "Which is probably the way that most of the world remembers him today. Example: [http://lists.lucywho.com/1950-deaths-c14081929/v.html], under famous people who died in the year 1950, lists him simply as “MURDERER”. That’s it, nothing more. Everyone else gets, “Ballet dancer” , “Scientist” etc, or something like that, but not Victor. But worse still (if you click on his name), you will be directed to the above description of him. Now you will find – a murderer who suffered from Dementia-Praecox” WITH HOMICIDAL TENDENCIES”.
Now here it should be stated that the author makes no pretense about having any psychological training, he has none. Additionally, (try as one may), he has not been able to figure out exactly what “Dementia Praecox” really is. The best he has been able to figure it out is as follows:
Granted a true psychologist would greatly disagree with the technicalities of this definition, but it makes it easy for a psychological simpleton (aka, this author) to understand. It also makes it easy for the layperson to separate the term “Dementia-Praecox” which Victor probably had, from the term “With Homicidal Tendencies,” which he probably DIDN’T have. AND if Victor Licata DID NOT have “Homicidal Tendencies” then half the case against him drops. BUT WAIT, doesn’t this counteract the evidence? Wasn’t Victor:
14.2 – DIDN'T VICTOR LICATA KILL YET AGAIN?
First, let’s look at the following allegation -- which if true would imply that Victor did indeed have homicidal tendencies and thus (in all probability) guilty of killing his family.
Several Internet sites have made the claim that while at the state asylum Victor Licata killed yet again; this time the victim being another asylum patient. Most of these web-sites make this statement while reproducing Earle Rowell’s classic booklet; “ON THE TRAIL OF MARIHUANA, THE WEED OF MADNESS.” Within it’s pages, one can find an obvious semi-editorial insert which reads as follows:
“Victor Licata is a real person, and he did butcher his family on 17 October, 1933. However, as you might suspect, Victor had problems that went way beyond his alleged marijuana use. Licata was committed to a mental hospital, where he (presumably in the absence of marijuana) killed another patient and later committed suicide.”However, after contacting the individuals who run these various web-sites, it becomes clear that none of them know exactly where the quotation (nor its source of information) originally came from. All of them stated that they had just borrowed it from some other website for use on their own. Something that this museum does a lot, no shame there. [14A]
This of and by itself should raise a few eyebrows. Also note that there is no, Who, What, Where. No date in which this happened, no victims name, nothing that can be tracked down. Which is exactly what we tried to do. But neither the State Asylum (which is still in operation today), nor the county coroner, nor the county clerk, nor the local police, nor the Sheriffs office . . . etc., know anything about the matter.
In addition, there is also circumstantial evidence that clearly points to this being ---yet one more Internet fabrication. Let us look at how Victor escaped captivity in 1945. Alone, given his stature (remember he only weighed 113 pounds), he probably could never have escaped, --- But he was not work alone. Essentially he, along with a group of other patients (most of them sleeping in the same communal dorm area), decided it was time to leave and as a team they began working together toward that end. They got together and after numerous nights, somehow manage to cut the bars on one of their second story windows. Then using their bed sheets as a rope, simply climbed down one night and made a run for it. ----- QUESTION: Assume Victor had killed that other inmate and given his historical past, would he have been allowed to sleep in a communal area with numerous other inmates? The answer is obvious.
Thus the reasons why we do NOT BELIEVE that Victor Licata killed anyone while at the state asylum and the above often quoted Internet quotation (written by an unknown person) is false.
14.3 – DIDN’T VICTOR LICATA ADMIT TO THE MURDERS?
DIDN’T HE SIGN A WRITTEN CONFESSION?
QUESTION: Didn’t Victor Licata sign a written confession (in effect) admitting to the murders?
ANSWER: As Victor Licata was never given an actual trial, never given access to a lawyer, we will probably never know. If he did, no known copies of such a confession (and believe me we’ve looked for it) are still in existence.
The only evidence that such a confession even existed comes from the Inside Detective (July 1938) article by W. D. Bush, who as we have already shown was a good spinner of tall tales, but not very big on actual accuracy. It reads as follows:
“I walked across the cell towards the door and his haunted eyes followed me. “I’ll prove all these things, Victor. Every-one of them,” I told him.Unfortunately (once more), while the given statements (above) were made by the chief detective in the case (first person account or not), his record for truthfulness just wasn’t all that great. Thus our belief that no such written confession was ever made.
However, for the sake of argument, let us pretend that he had. Would such a written confession have any meaning in a court of justice? Or for that matter would it have any meaning to any twelve semi intelligent individuals out on the street? Let us never forget that Victor Licata, in addition to having been in a state of ‘Shell Shock’ at the time, was also mentally autistic and as such could easily have been tricked (or conned) into signing just about anything the police would have put in front of him.
And for those of you who feel OUR POLICE force is there to serve and protect, that they would never do such a thing. Just remember the very subject nature of this book – chapter 2 pretty much says it all about the nature of things. In fact, it now turns out that the police have extorted so many false confessions [14B] (especially from mentally autistic people) that it’s a wonder that such confessions are still used admissible as evidence in a court of law. Let’s just say that it seems the police have a knack for intimidating frightened people into doing just about anything. And most likely Victor faired no better at their hands. But in any case, there simply is NO PROOF that any such confession ever existed.
14.4 – DIDN’T VICTOR LICATA ORALLY ADMIT TO THE MURDERS?
QUESTION: Didn’t Victor Licata orally admit to the press and others that he DID INDEED committee the murders?
ANSWER: NO. And here let us go over the evidence. According to the two main Tampa newspapers at the time:
Tampa Morning Tribune Oct 18, 1933 p1While the author makes no pretense to having any psychological training (he has none), even I can see that Victor was in a state of Shell Shock at the time. Note however that even in that state --- there are NO confessions or admissions of guilt spoken about here, nor do any show up on the official Police Report, nor for that matter (other than in the Inside Detective article), really nowhere.
Even the following Times-Picayune article (written some 17 years later and claimed by some as an admission of guilt):
TIMES-PICAYUNE – Aug 14, 1950 p16And granted, the above CAN BE INTERPRETED to mean that he is admitting to the crime, just as easily as it can be interpreted as meaning that he (only) admits being the one charged with the crime. So thus the real issue is – what exactly did he say?
Now here before going any further, it should be noted that this museum made more than a GOOD FAITH effort to obtain any OFFICIAL documents relating to his New Orleans arrest:
THUS we leave it up to the reader to determine whether Victor ever freely made such oral statements. In terms of this museum, we have found NO SUCH evidence that he ever did.
13.5 – VICTOR’S MENTAL STATE :
Here the author must choose his words well. As an active individual within the Medical Cannabis movement, he has run into numerous patients with numerous ailments (and they are just that, physical ailments) that manifest themselves in different ways. If you are so afflicted, you should not be ashamed, nor allow others to prevent you from getting proper medical attention. Also, in case any of you are offended, please remember that this author – simply doesn’t have any medical or psychological training of any kind. So please, if I put my foot in my mouth, just ignore it and know that he means well.
OK, DID VICTOR LICATA have a mental illness? In all likelihood the answer is yes. And in all likelihood his metal illness was organic in nature and probably genetically inherited. As proof we present the following:
According to local newspaper reports (see Chapter 5); ---- Relatives had stated that . . . . Victor had been acting strangely for months AND was already under the care of a private psychiatrist. In addition (again according to local newspaper accounts) Victor was almost placed in an insane asylum a year previously, but that the family had been able to convince the Judge that they could better take care of him at home. Perhaps the following article from the Tampa Times (Nov. 2, 1933 p5) is most telling.
Tampa Times Nov 2, 1933 p5
ALIENIST SAYS LICATA INSANE [14C]
Family History of Insanity Described in Report by Tampa Psychiatrist
Victor Licata’s plea of insanity as a defense for the murder of five members of his family here on Oct 17 has been strengthened in a report filed with County Judge Cornelius, in which it is shown that the ax-slayer not only was subject to mental disorders prior to the tragedy, but probably inherited that condition as well.
A commission has reported the 21-year -old slayer as hopelessly insane, but judge Cornelius has deferred signing a formal declaration of insanity until after the new Grand Jury meets next Tuesday.
Dr. H. Mason Smith, prominent psychiatrist and former superintendent of the State Hospital for the Insane, has repeatedly examined Licata in his cell at County Jail, and has reached the conclusion the youth is a victim of dementia praecox which probably began a year ago and became obvious to his family six or seven months ago. This disease, Dr. Smith said, carries homicidal impulses and causes irresponsibility.
History of Insanity
Delving into the youth’s family history, Dr. Smith found a strong foundation for inherited insanity, according to his report.
The sister’s father and mother, whom he killed with two younger brothers and a sister, were first cousins, the report stated. Relatives informed the commission that a paternal grand-uncle, Joe Licata, died in an asylum; that two paternal first cousins, Rosa Spoto and Phillip Vaccaro, are now in asylums, and that a brother, Philip Licata, one of the axe murder victims, was pronounced a victim of dementia praecox a year ago.
“As a child, Victor was always frail, sensitive and somewhat reclusive in his makeup,” the report continued. “About six or seven months ago he began to develop queer manners, as an attitude of indifference and a desire to be alone. His mind has slowed down and there has been a loss of spontaneity; he could not do anything consecutively.
“He is very negative and at times entirely mute. He declines to respond to questions, and when responses are obtained they are delayed and in monosyllables or in as few words as possible. He is awkward, indifferent to his surroundings, untidy in appearance and at times displays fear and asks if he is going to be murdered.
Shows No Emotion
“He has admitted several times to slaying his family, but says he does not know why. States he is sorry he killed his family, but registers no grief and shows no sorrow in his emotions. He has never shed a tear. He sometimes answers questions with the most bizarre statements not connected with the questions and when left alone jabbers to himself and sometimes gets excited and uses profanity, which is directed toward his cell mates.
“He inquires about Count D’Orsey and Christopher Columbus in a loud tone of voice. He calls for food often, but when it is brought will not eat. Once or twice he ate a small amount when the attendant ate some. He requested a shave but has refused to be shaved. When first put in jail he was in a state of excitement and battered his head so much on the wall he had to be put in a padded cell.
“Victor does not appreciate his status in jail: has no idea of what is going to happen, and is not interested in the future. He demonstrates no emotions about his status or deed, and is not interested in anything except that he occasionally calls out that they are going to come and get him.”
Dr. Smith’s report covered several typewritten sheets, detailing his examination which resulted in his report that the slayer has been insane for more than a year.
Note that the above article brings out that there was a family history of mental health issues, with four direct biological relatives mentioned by name who also had inherited the illness. One of which had died in an asylum.
But (before going any further) maybe it would be best to know a bit about Dr. H. Mason Smith, the psychiatrist who is mentioned so prominently in this case.
13.6 – DR. H. MADISON SMITH - PSYCHIATRIST:
As has already been noted, prior to the murder of his family, Victor Licata had already been undergoing treatment for mental health issues via a local (and we assume private) psychiatrist. QUESTION: Who was that psychiatrist? ANSWER: While his name is never mentioned as such, without a doubt it is none other than Dr. H. Madison Smith.
How can we be so certain? --- Simple he was the only psychiatrist in the whole of the Tampa Bay area at the time. Thus logic and reason dictate that he had to be the “local psychiatrist” in question. [14D] Additionally, it was on his word (primarily) that the lunacy commission [14E] determined Victor Licata’s state of sanity at the time.
Dr. H. Madison Smith
Thus it will behoove anyone doing any kind of study on the Victor Licata case to know a bit about this man, and even more important – to know if (professionally) he was any-good or not?
In answer --- From what we (at this museum) have been able to determine, as a psychiatrist, he seemed to be a pretty good one, having an almost spotless record and quite impressive medical credentials. Putting it otherwise, he is mentioned in numerous medical/psychiatric journals in a very favorable light. In fact even those who wrote unfavorable things about him had nothing but good things to say about him. Example; As per the Tampa Tribune Dec 14, 2000:
CORRECTION: A quotation in a Nov. 30, 2000 article . . . gave the impression that Dr. H. Mason Smith Sr. had no formal training in psychiatry. A biography of Smith, a medical doctor who was Tampa's first male psychiatrist, shows him training at the Neurological Institute of New York in 1918-19 and becoming a diplomat of the American Board of Psychiatrists and Neurologists in 1937. Correction made Dec. 14, 2000.But his name had been associated with psychiatry long before that. According to the:
American journal of psychiatry, (Aka The American Journal of Insanity)Thus it should be noted that Dr. Smith was in fact (at one time) in charge of the Chattahoochee State asylum. The very one where Victor Licata was now to be sent to in 1933.
It seems that Dr. H. Mason Smith, went into private practice in the early 1920’s. And according to the Southern Medical Journal (Vol. 14 No. 7 July 1921 p585):
“Dr. H. Mason Smith, formerly with the Florida Hospital for the Insane at Chattahoochee, has opened offices in Tampa. His work will be limited to neurology and psychiatry.”However, he still continued to work part time at a local Tampa area hospital and from the numerous photographs we have been able to locate of him (courtesy of the Tampa Historical Society) he continued to work closely within government circles on medical issues of various types right up until his death in the 1950’s. Point being made here --- At the time (1933) he was highly experienced, with many years of experience as a psychiatrist. In addition to that he was also highly well connected within governmental circles --- All of which meant that his professional views on any matter carried quite a bit of weight at the time.
However, this is not to say that he was totally perfect by all means --- in fact by today’s standard he might seem a bit of a throwback. For example, in a discussion published in the Southern medicine and surgery (Vol. 94 1932), Dr. Smith makes it clear that he feels that ALL psychiatric patients should be institutionalized
May 1932 - Dr. H. Mason Smith, Tampa. Florida:Of course Dr. Smith does not detail how institutionalizing so many patients was going to be paid for? But here it is just important that we note his own viewpoint on the subject. Of course (in his viewpoint) he would be doing Victor Licata a favor (innocent or not), if he were institutionalized. Now please, the author is not suggesting that Dr. Smith had any inside information to the effect that Victor was innocent. ---If such evidence exists we do not know of it. But solely bring out the fact that Dr. Smith favored institutionalizing patients, come what may.
Also, it should be noted that Dr. Smith might himself have been under emotional pressure of his own during this time. One can almost see him pacing about a room thinking to himself: I was treating Victor ---Why didn’t I see it coming? Why didn’t I read the signs? Etc. In addition, just five months earlier, one of his patients (Leonard Skeggs of Youngstown Ohio) shot and killed himself in his office, again this was just five months prior to the Licata incident (this was on April 30, 1933). [13F] Thus it might be stated that (emotionally speaking), he didn’t want to lose another one.
And thus (in this authors opinion) it would not be far fetched for one to (at least) suggest that Dr. Smith’s own emotions were clouded at the time, and possibly (out of duty to his patient) could have been looking for a way to have saved Victor's life. Even to the point of declaring/branding him with a diagnoses of Dementia-Praecox with “Homicidal Tendencies", when other factors might have shown otherwise.
WARNING: Once more, the author makes no pretense to have either medical or psychological training of any kind, ---he has none. Nor is it his place to second-guess the work of such a highly reputable psychiatrist as Dr. H. Madison Smith. What he is suggesting is that there were other factors at the time that would have affected Dr. Smiths thinking. And let’s face it, psychiatrist or not, having someone blow his brains out in your office is a traumatic event etc.
In addition, in all likelihood he too was probably forced to come to his diagnosis via the information that he had at hand.
14.7 – THE PSYCHIATRIST DIAGNOSESES :
But, the argument can be made. Wasn’t Victor Licata ALSO diagnosed as having Dementia-Praecox (with homicidal tendencies) by various other trained psychiatrists while at the state asylum? Answer: Sort of, but not really.
Here we ask the reader to use logic and reason. While we would all like to think of mental health institutions as places where there are lots of nice young men in their clean white coats, etc. --- who are there to help --- and lots and lots of nurses who also wear clean . . . etc. However, the reality is that most modern day mental health institutions are overcrowded, under funded and under staffed to the point . . . someone once described them as simply nothing more than warehouses for people. In the words of one patient, “you were lucky if you got 10 minutes a week with an actual psychiatrist. And given human nature, (as well as the perpetual state of governmental finances), I don’t believe that things were any better back in the 1930’s. [Humm, as an aside did anyone out there ever see the movie, The Snake Pit?]
Move Poster - The Snake Pit
Thus one must ask the question; --- Was Victor Licata really given numerous medical evaluations while at the asylum? Before going any further, allow the author to give one of his personal experiences he has had – One that cost him a few days in jail.
A few years ago, the author (courtesy of the San Jose Police Department) spent a few nights in jail. At my trial a S.J.P.D. officer (Andrew Layne by name) lied his teeth off (aka perjury) and unfortunately the judge sided with him. Now leaving all the details aside (but do note that I do have physical evidence that he lied), let's look at how our local justice system works. [13G]
[step 1] - SJPD: - Tried to log a complaint against the officer, but was told by the desk Sgt., that because it involved a police officer, I had to go through their Internal Affairs unit.Humm! With no way for a citizen to even log any kind of formal complaint against a San Jose Police Officer, it looks like Mr. Layne is going to have a long and happy life there. However, the above (while unjust) must be taken into its proper perspective. As a curator of this kind of museum, I have heard of numerous horror stories; ---cops planting drugs on people, making up crime stories, shaking down medical Cannabis patients etc., etc. I guess I am lucky to have gotten out with only a small fine and a short time in jail. Others have been treated like kings -- Rodney King’s that is.
NOW, ignoring my own personal problems, -- I brought out the above subject simply to prove one point. And that is that (given the state of human nature), there is a point (somewhere along the chain of complaint), where almost anybody automatically thinks that; --somewhere, someone else must have already looked into the matter. And I am busy, so why should I waste any of my own time. It is at that point where the whole thing then becomes nothing more than rubber stamping what (someone thinks) has already been done. On paper, it is a step in the chain of checks and balances, but in reality, just a piece of paper that needs an official looking stamp.
So going back to the above question;--“Was Victor Licata really given various medical evaluations while at the asylum?” The answer again becomes --- Sort of, but I don’t believe that he really was. And while the author has no inside information proving otherwise, still almost anyone can use the most basic of deductive reasoning. Assume that you are the psychiatrist in charge of Victors ward and begin reading his dossier saying.
And while no one is disputing the fact that Victor Licata did suffer from some form of mental illness, the question here is DID HE ALSO HAVE homicidal tendencies? History and the evidence seems to indicate that he DID NOT.
14.8 – THE HANDGUN:
According to just about everyone Victor Licata did indeed try to obtain a handgun just before the murders.
QUESTION: Isn’t this proof that he had Homicidal Tendencies?
ANSWER: NO, gun’s don’t kill people, people kill people. The real question here should be; What did Victor want the gun for?
After looking over ALL the facts we feel that Victor wanted the gun for self-defense and nothing more. The following (taken straight from the previous chapter) we feel details this fact.
The reports of Victor Licata wanting to borrow or somehow obtain a handgun are numerous. The newspaper accounts are full of mentions:
Tampa Times (Oct. 17, 1933 p1)The facts, as they were stated at the time, are as follows:
Here we are actually dealing with two totally different issues (a) was the Licata Family living in Fear of Victor and (b) was Victor trying to obtain a handgun and even a third issue (c) WHY was Victor trying to obtain a handgun.
Let’s begin with what appears obvious; that Victor wanted a handgun. This appears to be true, although it is possible that (a) the newspapers got it wrong, or (b) that the family relatives (the source of the information) simply got it wrong. But be that as it may, it is the opinion of this museum that Victor Licata did indeed wanted to get his hands on a handgun.
Next, it is also our belief the Licata family was indeed living in fear at the time. Proof of that can be found in the fact that Mike Licata (Victor’s father) was said to be sleeping with a handgun under his mattress. BUT, here the issue is ---- Were they living in fear of Victor or in fear of something else? And for that matter, -- Was this something else the reason why Victor wanted the handgun in the first place?
Or for that matter, What was this SOMETHING ELSE that the Licata family was in fear of? According to the Tampa Times (Nov 2, 1933 p5):
“Victor does not appreciate his status in jail: has no idea of what is going to happen, and is not interested in the future. He demonstrates no emotions about his status or deed, and is not interested in anything except that he occasionally calls out that they are going to come and get him.”Granted Victor was mentally autistic; granted these words might have been illusions of his mind, BUT it is of interest to note that no one was taking him seriously at the time. It seems that everyone simply wanted to establish that it was either the Marihuana or his mental illness that was the cause of the murders. ---- In effect there was never an investigation into who or what this “something else” that was going to come and get him” actually was?
Now granted, the author of this book is beginning to speculate a bit, however, let’s just look at one more aspect of this case. Again, why was Victor’s father said to be keeping a handgun underneath his bed mattress? According to the news reports, Victor’s parents were “Very protective of him.” So are we expected to believe that the handgun was supposed to be meant as a form of protection against Victor (who only weighed 113 lbs. at the time)? What was supposed to happen, was Mike Licata supposed to use the gun to kill his own son with it? Logic and reason would dictate that the gun was being kept as a form of defense against the “Something Else” that Victor had been talking about in his jail cell. --- See Chapter 17 which deals with various scenarios of what really happened that night.
Additionally, it should be pointed out that Victor was a moonshine runner, it is also quite possible that he wanted the gun to protect his cargo from attack by other (ah) involved in the trade.
14.9 – CHAPTER CONCLUSIONS:
Throughout we have been hampered by the shear lack of documentation.
From the State Hospital in Chattahoochee, we have been able to obtain copies of the (above shown) catalog Index Cards, which document that he was a patient. But his actual medical files are now (allegedly gone) missing or lost.
We do however (thanks for John Kaplan’s research back in the 1960’s), have a couple of letters (both written in 1968) from the State Hospital that read as follows:
Florida State HospitalMeaning that there probably was NO ACTUAL written report as such, but simply the oral statements of the lunacy commission set up to look into the matter. We are however blessed with the above mentioned Tampa Times (Nov 2, 1933 p5) article, “ALIENIST SAYS LICATA INSANE” (see above) which details what was said during the oral hearings.
In terms of Victor's actual medical records, again they (allegedly) have now gone missing, and with them much of the evidence that could have cleared Victor’s name. However, thanks to John Kaplan’s research we are blessed with the following letter written by one of the asylum doctors WHO DID have access to his files:
DIVISION OF MENTAL HEALTHNote (for historical reasons) that Marihuana was NEVER even mentioned in his medical report. Nor it seems in the Alienist report, nor for that matter anywhere other than in second hand police reports. But the point being made here is that the lack of still existing documentation limit’s our research and forces us to come to the only logical conclusions regarding the matter.
That Victor Licata WAS MENTALLY AUTISTIC, but that he DID NOT HAVE HOMICIDAL TENDENCIES. And that his medical diagnosis as such came solely as a result of false police reports.
[14A]-- We believe the original source of the quotation comes from this website which is no longer in service. http://www.lycaeum.org/
[14B]— The book, “Police Interrogations and False Confessions” Lassiter, G. D., & Meissner, C. A. (2010), contains lots of good information on this kind of subject. [14C]-- Alienist [old language wording] a doctor specializing in the treatment of mental illness or an expert witness in a sanity trial.
[13D] – All this according to the book by “First But Not Last:: The Beginnings of Psychiatry in Tampa” by Dr. Rosalind Murray & Margaret Fisher
[13E]— The lunacy commission appointed by County Judge Cornelius consisted of Dr. G.C. Bottari ; Dr. W.J. LANCASTER and Mr. Edward D. Vestel (the county jailer) However, in all likelihood they relied solely on Dr. Smiths (the only trained psychiatrist in the area) evaluation in making their determination regarding Victor Licata’s sanity.
[13F]-- As per the Charleston Gazette April 30, 1933 p21, Charleston, West Virginia
[13G]— Incidents not necessarily in chronological order -- Officer Andrew Layne Badge #2507 -- [Step 1]- San Jose Police Officer K. McMillin Badge #3409 [Step 2]- San Jose Internal Affairs Officer Compana [last one talked to, but I’ve talked to just about everyone in the Internal Affairs Office] [Step 5]- Santa Clara County Sheriffs Officer Sutherland Badge 1591 [Step 6]- Santa Clara County Sheriffs Sgt. Porrea, badge 1592 [Step 7]- Santa Clara county Sheriffs (Internal Affairs Officer) Leonardini Badge 1613
VICTOR LICATA - A RUSH TO JUDGEMENT
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